Yvonne-the Sparrieshoop seedlings are particularly vigorous
but there is no guarantee that any of them will resemble their mother in bloom form or growth pattern.
It will take at least two years to get an idea of what the permanent bloom form will be-as babies the bloom form doesn't always match the mature permanent form.

The thought I had is this-
Every now and then someone pops up in here looking for a rose with a particular name to commemorate someone special.
I read the last such post and learned that a professional grower will charge around $150 for doing a rose with a name of your choice.
I would love to send one of my 'new' roses to anyone who wants to name it whatever they want.I will not do the PBR-that will be the choice of the recipient.
The recipient can do cuttings and budding to give clones of the rose to family and friends but may not release it into commerce.
All I would want is to cover the cost of postage.
Of course they are still babies and wont be ready til next year or maybe even the year after.
I think a personally named rose in honour of a loved one is
a great idea and plan to name some for loved and lost dear ones myself.
So what do you think?
best regards
sandie

You never know you might just discover a really special new rose - plenty before you have done it!

Best of luck with your seedlings!

Von.

Most people who want a rose to be a symbol of a worthy cause, charity, school, etc., will want quantity so they can profit for their cause, probably the task of some grower who wants his cut.

Give them away of course, but you can't control what happens after they walk out your gate. JMO.

Lozza-Glad to see you are still around:)
I don't mean them for worthy causes or mass production-I just mean to supply a one off rose to people who want to name it for a loved one and grow it in their own garden.
I know I can't control any situation after a rose leaves my place but that doesn't really matter to me.
That someone can name a rose after a loved one or a lost one does matter to me.
regards
sandie

Sandie obviously understands the problems associated with distributing un-named stock, as she express this in her comment about not selling/sharing further than friends. I think Lozza makes the problem very clear. One of the things I am very often asked to do is to identify an iris bloom. Given that there are some 70,000 registered, it is virtually impossible, and once you take into account the number of seedlings of either natural or man made origin - there are many, many more.
Why do people want to name things? For the purpose of selling a product it makes sense. You might (or might not) want to buy a rose the same as one you have. If they carry a name it is easier to deal with. The rose is still beautiful (or perhaps still ugly in some cases) without the name. I sometimes think there is a kind of an inverse snobbery among gardeners, that the breeders, especially those who apply for plant breeders rights, are greedy and trying to monopolise the market. If you look at the incredible expense of producing a new plant in mass and marketing it, they are entitled to the money the earn. "Backyard" breeders (of which I consider myself one, and I am sure so does Sandie) are generally dedicated people who put in time and money for no future gain. SOME get a little carried away with registering lots of their offspring regardless of their worthiness. There are some very embarrassing examples in the records of plant societies. Most are very harsh and selective when deciding what should or should not be introduced.
To commemorate a persons passing, or a special event - yes Sandie, yours is a very lovely idea. It doesn't come cheap though. The registration still has to be paid - or do you just mean give it a "garden name?" - It wouldn't be as special then would it? I think that, to register a rose, you would also need to be a member of the rose society of Australia, and if the same applies to the naming of irises, then you would have to introduce the rose into commerce for the name to remain valid. An iris that is not introduced into commerce does not retain the name given to it by it's breeder. The registered name lapses. Lozza would know the rulings on this, and I am sure could give a lot more advice re rose breeding.
If you want to legally ensure that the rose doesn't become widespread, then you would need a legally binding contract of agreement. That would cost far more than the $150 the breeder is offering for a named rose.
David Austin breeds thousands of roses each year, and selects only a handful to be introduced. Still you frequently see the comments about them being so much alike, or not an improvement on previous ones. How then could you expect more than maybe one or two roses from a selection of bee pollenated hips to stand out? Who decides what is worthy of naming and introducing into commerce? I imagine that the breeder shows his potential introductions to rosarians, and at the rose shows, to get the very best of opinions on their garden and vase worthiness.
I can only say again - enjoy what you produce. There will be a (very) few roses worth keeping and growing on, but give them your own garden names and enjoy!
Cheers, Jan, who means no harm to anyone here, and still thinks of Sandie everytime she sees Buff Beauty growing over the arbour:-)

Just to enlarge on the point Jan raised about suitability of plants for registration, there does seem to be some lip service paid to the notion that newly registered roses will be put into commerce, but no rule that I know of. The rose to be newly named must be inspected by 3 members of your state rose society as to its uniqueness of appearance, i.e, that to the best of their knowledge, the rose does not exist elsewhere. For experienced rosarians (three of them), this is not as difficult as it may sound to the lay person. Details of the origins of the rose, its characteristics of flower, foliage, thorns (prickles), growth habit, parentage, etc, are forwarded to the Australian Registrar, who submits details to American Rose Society, and all things being equal the rose name will be registered. A photograph will be requested from the breeder by ARS in due course.

The above is the procedure for bred roses. For sports, the photo must accompany the application to ARS.

As to quality of the rose, this is of no concern to the three rose society representatives. The decision to register is left to the breeder, as is the matter of propagating up quantities of plants for the market. Quality is obviously not a criterion for many overseas breeders contracted to supply new roses each year to agents in Australia. Many in fact are never registered, and in my opinion should be ignored. I recently handled an application for a miniature rose, declared to be a sport of "Gem". "Gem" is registered as an HT, and ARS raised a query as to how an HT rose could sport a miniature. Upon investigation, I found that the "Gem" in this case was a mini-patio rose, named and thrown onto the market.An uncontrollable event and well beyong the scope of ARS to manage.

A measure of quality of the plant can be arranged by submitting the rose to trial in Adelaide, at the Australian Rose Trial Garden, in Adelaide Botanical Garden. Those roses are constantly assessed and graded as to quality, and after a period of two years, results of the trialled roses are published. These results are genuine accreditations for the roses. However the power of advertising hype by commercial rose breeders far exceeds the quality of most of their roses, but advertising sells, and many excellent roses go unnoticed.

Congratulations are due to Maureen Ross for her efforts to bring the products of amateur rose breeders in Australia before the general public.

Thrip

Experienced rose breeders however are failing to "satisfy" a different requirement ie.an oversupplied commercial market.That is oversupplied with choices in roses which(a) often seem far too similar to existing roses to create the demand required to fund patent protection or which (b)are fantastic roses in their own right but otherwise are never funded to the extent necessary to demonstrate this point to a large chunk of the retail market.
But then this problem is not new and is likely to be more acute in the bare-root market where the only knowledge the buyer has of their intended purchase is what they've seen in magazines and in catalogues etc...ie. bigger advertising = bigger sales.Where potted roses are concerned(quality ones in flower) if it looks great who cares where it came from or where you saw it, consumers often by on impulse...and why not.Don't we all buy things to make ourselves happy?
Anyway three cheers for Maureen and Andrew Ross from us too.Their Australian Rose project and the efforts of their collaborating breeders has resulted in some unique roses which truly deserve to be grown eg Loves Gift(by George Thompson).It may interest Austarlian rosarians to know that they are producing numbers of hybrid seedlings for selection, which equals and more often than not exceeds that of the overseas big names.
Thrip

Von.

Von.

Garry