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Posted by Fran_C Vic. Aust (My Page) on Thu, May 12, 05 at 1:05
I'd like to plant a row of standards, but they would be in a southerly aspect, with a fairish bit of shade..
What do you all reckon.. they would look sensational if they would grow well there... |
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| Yes it will grow in a shady spot. A bit of morning sun would be good. I have a neighbour that that has one growing just like that. HTH |
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| Fran - I've a row of Seduction (not standards though) against a wall - they really are sensational plants - but those that were close to the shade of a tree were stunted, hardly bloomed and subject to some black spot (not a lot, but more than the others in full sun). When the tree blew down in a storm we found that the Seduction that were shaded forged ahead and now they look no different to the others. So personally I don't think they like shade at all - they seem to love the sun - in fact the only thing about strong sunshine in summer with this variety is that the blooms fade quickly. But in Spring and at the moment, the blooms remain that lovely combination of creams and pinks and last very well, both cut and on the bush. Barb |
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| Have to tell you that my seduction is also in the shade, under a pistaschio tree & is about to be moved out into the light. My tea rose General Gallieni is also in the same spot but has managed to grow tall enough for the sun as the Geneeral is want to do. I will be moving Seduction & Rubens as they have done absolutely nothing under the tree & in the shade.
Cheers
Deb |
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| Darn... looks like Camellias then... anyone know any that are spectacular? |
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- Posted by Melda Vic Aust (My Page) on
Thu, May 19, 05 at 21:58
| Fran, Camillia lutchuensis would be lovely, it has a delicious fragrance. 
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| fran ...you know the answer!....5-6 hours at least...however....something like iceberg or seduction will be more forgiving than most...forget the camelia fran...5minutes flowering versus 8-9 months?!!!!...no contest....maybe plant the seductions with a back up plan in mind....ie: they will let you know in the first year if they aren't happy (more fungal problems etc).....have somewhere to move them to if it doesn't work?!....the 2 varieties (i/berg/seduction)would be my first 2 choices for a marginal area)...hope thats of help |
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| ohhhhhhhhh wring of hands.. worrry... any other roses that don't mind shade...?? |
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- Posted by jeni27 WA Australia (My Page) on
Wed, May 25, 05 at 0:12
I have two standard Icebergs growing well in the courtyard on the south side of the house ..very shady in winter. but I would like to know if anyone is growing climbing Seduction. I bought one last year and it is doing beautifully on an arched trellis in full sun but the flowers dont look too much like the normal Seduction and it has a wonderful old rose perfume. Delightful rose but wonder if it came mislabeled?
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Here is a link that might be useful: climbing seduction
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| Well it's not Seduction that's for sure.. It looks more like Gloire di Dijon.. and if so, would definately have the lovely perfume.. |
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| Not seduction...I thought it looked a bit like some Pierre de Ronsrad blooms can look but fragrance should discount that. Is it a strong thick bush??Repeat flowerer? Garry |
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Still say Gloire di Dijon.
Jenni go to http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/index.php
And do a search on it.
I'd bet my left booby..:-)
It's not pierre de Ronsard, it's too pink, and hasn't that tight scroll PdR gets.. |
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| Seduction it ain't that's for sure. What about S.d.l.Malmaison? Thought that GdD was yellow/apricot, Fran. Barb |
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Fran
I am a newbie to the forum but I have been looking for shade-loving roses too, and I found a great reference at HelpMeFind: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/ezine.php?publicationID=579&js=0
I have climbing Pascali growing against a partly shaded fence and it is growing beautifully but so far not many blooms, although this is its first year. I also have a climbing MrLincoln just planted there but after reading this info on HMF and the forum I am thinking of replacing them with Westerland instead. |
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- Posted by Lynne1 Victoria Oz (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 24, 05 at 4:00
Hi my Fran, seduction in our areas is a bit of a bs magnet, but a couple of triflorine sprays and heaps of manure etc and it takes off Yes some of mine are in shade and second year woopee.. too many flowers, all the time, how dare they do that!
Go for it, you can always move them somewhere else later, like when you decide to move another fence!
Lynne |
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For a real shade lover try Autumalis - it revels in the shade and has very attractive almost weeping grey-green foliage.
Now, the downside is that it is not continuous flowering (despite what the books say) and mine tends to flower from autumn through to (and including) winter (can't remember if it flowers in spring - however mine does not flower in Summer) White small flowers from pink buds. It is a much longer flowering time than camellias - but quite different. It is a musk rose and has a light scent and fully double blooms. I have it as a small climber but it can be grown as a big bush. The rose is not in Botanica under Autumalis, however Rosa Moschata (the musk rose) in the pic looks similar.
Sometimes when growing plants in the shade of the tree it is not just the shade that is the problem. The trees suck up all the water and nutrients.
Deryn |
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Water and nutrients are no problem Deryn, I can handle that fine.
Just the shade thing. I'll go look at Autumalis.. with a name like that - no wonder it's an autumn star. |
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The photo which jeni27 posted is not Seduction. I grew climbing seduction at our last house. It is a pillar rather than a climber I think. The flower was very true to form. Your photo could be Souv.D.L.Malmaison. It has a super perfume, however, I think you photo looks a little too pink. Regardless it is a winner so long as it is a continuous bloomer.
Cheers. |
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I'm trying to picture your beautiful Seductions in shade. Next door here (Geelong) the very nice lady has planted 4 standard Icebergs and they don't get any sun - they are close up to the house on the south side. I agonise every time I take my car out. These poor roses - its sad.
For what it is worth I gave a cutting of Playboy to my sister and she planted it on the South side and it looks remarkable, and as usual it has always got a flower on it. The rich dark foliage is healthy too |
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Just planted 3 cl Seductions southern side 10k tank. We shall see how it handles bugga all shade in the lower regions.
I have just been let loose in the garden, got me a 50metre x 100metre patch to fill up... Wooohoooooo!!! So Loz ol fella, heeeeeeeelp!!! |
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- Posted by jeni27 WA Australia (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 31, 05 at 8:29
I am sure now my climber is not Seduction. I did buy it as a pillar rose. it is so beautiful surely S d l Malmaison. It has a wonderful perfume and is repeat flowering and is inclined to ball in the wet weather. only problem is it is maybe too vigorous for the arch. never the less I feel I stumbled on a bargain!!
Jen |
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- Posted by lozza Vic. Oz. (My Page) on
Sun, Aug 7, 05 at 17:08
| The 'Autumnalis' being spoken of was known as R.moschata autumnalis, but is now declared by the powers to be 'Princess de Nassau'. It commences flowering just before Xmas, and repeats until Winter, same as R.bracteata. The would-be 'Cl.Seduction' sure looks like 'Souvenir de la Malmaison', climbing or shrub. |
Here is a link that might be useful: autumnalis?
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| Hi Jeni27 - was wondering what you you ended up with...? I only just read your posting and the replies and my first sugestion for shade tolerant roses was Madame Alfred Carriere which, I read in a New Zealand book about climbing and rambling roses, is "quite tolerant of a south or shaded situation, said to thrive on neglect; one of the most popular old climbers". Size is approx 5 metres high x 3m wide and it has few thorns, flowers early in spring, on thru summer then another great flush in winter and well scented. The buds are white and apricot. I put one into my garden in Belgrave about 3 months ago (which was growing in a pot, already about 2 years old) and it's already flowered once and is getting more buds...How'd you go? |
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