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Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Posted by Glasshopper WA (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 11, 05 at 3:21

I generally follow organic principles in my garden with two exceptions.

Firstly I supplement my organic methods with chemical fertilisers on my citrus.

Secondly I sometimes resort to snail pellets if I germinate seedlings in the ground. Just three tiny pellets around each seedling. So effective and so much simpler than burying saucers of my precious homebrew in the garden.

My wife is onto me about this second practice and tells me that birds and lizards eat the dead snails and die. How bad are snail pellets?


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RE: Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Certainly the older ones were dangerous, and not just to snails. I don't know much about the newer ones.
Some alternatives, if you decide the pellets have to go are:
1 Container of vegemite or yeast dissolved in water (I think it's the yeast in the beer that attracts them anyway.
2 Some sort of collar/cover till the seedlings are too big to be attractive - tin can, milk container etc. You could tart it up by smearing vaseline with plenty of salt in it around the top part so that even if they start up, they'll soon retreat
3 A ring of salt
4 A ring of used coffee grounds or spraying with diluted espresso coffee
5 A ring of diatomaceous earth.
The last three need replacing after rain and too much salt is probably not a good idea anyway and diatomaceous earth is a bit pricey!


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RE: Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Metaldehyde baits in bait stations (where they can't be picked by birds) are accepted organic / biodynamic practice. Metaldehyde is just a wood alcohol and breaks down in the snails very fast.

Manuel.


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RE: Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Thanks for these tips. I have used beer traps successfully but it's kind of random and relies on the snails moving selectively to the traps amongst the seedlings whereas they tend to take out a few seedlings on the way through. I like the pellets because 2-3 at the base of each seedling give perfect protection for minimum use of pellets.

I was just wondering if anyone had any hard info or even anecdotal evidence that the snail pellets are genuinely trouble.


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RE: Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Hi Glasshopper,
There are thee types of comercially available snail pellets.

First type: Methiocarb or other organophosphate (OP). Mode of action: Acetylcholinestesterase inhibitor ie. nerve poison

These are the old style. They are by far the most highly effective in killing everything that touches/eats them including (unfortunatly) animals and birds. Definately NOT an organic option...

Second type: Metaldehyde. Mode of action:destruction of mucocytes (the cells that enable molluscs to make mucous). this stops them moving and kills them from dehydration.

These are also highly effective and they are toxic but unless an animal gets into a packet they are unlikely to cause severe poisoning. Metaldehyde breaks down rapidly in the presence of moisture so in wet areas they don't last too long. I use them as they are the best compromise between a quick kill and environmental friendlyness. Looking on the internet some organic societies think they are organic other only allow thier use in traps and other think they are evil. I guess it depends on your level of fundementalisim.

Third type: Iron or copper. Mode of action: asphixiation
These are the new generation of snail 'killers' they rely on the snails eating them rather than just contact. After ingestion the snails eat other stuff until they suffocate. This results in the destruction of a few other seedlings as they don't provide a knockdown action like the first two and the snails crawl away to die in their hidey holes. So you don't get the satisfaction of seeing them dead on the ground. I've used the iron EDTA ones and found they grow fungus a bit to easily for my liking in very wet areas (ie on bog plants). But otherwise they are not toxic and they are highly stable in moisture. Their downside is they must be more delicious then your seedings to be effective.

After all that I hope you can make a more informed decision.

Regards
Karl, ACT


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RE: Snail pellets - how bad are they?

Thanks to everyone for your help.

I will look for the metaldehyde baits.


 
 

 

 


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