This isn't the info you're looking for, but... Sungold is a hybrid, so seeds from the fruit won't turn out to be Sungolds. However, there is an open-pollinated (you can save the seeds from the fruits) tomato that is said to be very similar to Sungold, called Sweet Orange II. I know Bountiful Gardens carries it, others may, also. Sue

If you have these seeds and are willing to trade some of them, please let me know. See my trade list. Thank you!

Dave, I read through each of your links and wanted to share some points that were not made in either one and that has to do with how hybrids are constructed. The earliest hybrids developed usually had just two parents that were selected for different desired traits .Examples would include Big Boy F1, Better Boy F1, Ramapo F1, etc. But more modern varieties are done in a different way. There are two breeding lines, let's call them A and B. An OP with a desired trait starts off in line A, these are NOT specific varieties, rather what are called breeding lines that have been chosen b'c they have desired genes. Then that first one is crossed with another OP to introduce a gene, such as uniform ripening, high solids, a disease tolerance gene, etc. There can be up to four parental gene inputs in a line and none of them are known varieties. The same is done for line B. When the last of lines A and B are done, then those two last selections are crossed with each other to form the F1 hybrid. One of thel inks also discussed the role of using male steriles so that there's no self pollenization. Carolyn, who did say she would be back later, and the reason being is that she's a HUGE tennis fan and Wimbledon in London is on now, and she wants to watch as much as she can, especially her favorite players. ( smile)

Need2SeeGreen - did you read Carolyn's answer on this thread? I think they have very strict rules - why I am not sure, maybe it has to do with introducing strains that might carry diseases??? Carolyn unfortunately is without a computer or I am sure she would give you all the details. I have tried to order from Seeds from Italy and they ship to the US but not to Canada and the US website also won't ship to Canada. So go figure! It's nuts! Sharon