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Posted by finbar NSW Aust (My Page) on Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 7:20
| Just popped in to say Ciao from the northern hemisphere. Arrived safely, all is well, the local produce is blissful, and we'll pop back more often as soon as we get ADSL set up. |
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| Ciao, bello! Good to hear from you again. Can't wait to hear all about it. The food, the place, the food, the wine, the place, the food, uh... and how you all are doing. :) Hope you are having a smashing time and enjoying every single second of it. |
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Same from me Finbar, how are the mutts? Sarah |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 15:48
| I cani arrive on or about the 15th of June. They're in for a bit of a culture shock, the big lump in particular. Our street currently boasts a population of stray cats. Not for much longer! We're settling in nicely. Witnessed our first neighbourhood stoush this morning. The family across from us went at it hammer and tongs with the family beside us. Have no idea what it was about but I recognised lots of "ignorant" and "stupid" being hurled around. Only in Italy! As you'd know, Spatz, the supermarkets here are to die for. We were in our local one yesterday, not a big one, and I counted 14 different Pecorinos from the surrounding districts and towns. And, finally, REAL prosciutto and pancetta! I think I'm in heaven! |
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- Posted by pepino Werribee Vic (My Page) on
Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 19:00
Hi Finbar Great to hear you arrived safely and that you have already experienced the locals. Have fun and when you get a quiet moment, be sure to post some pics for us to drool over. I hope it's not too hot for your liking. It's a fresh 7 degrees here this morning. Ciao |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 6, 05 at 4:08
| Hi pep. Unseasonably warm here. 30C and humid the day we arrrived and probably not less than 25C since. Beautiful crisp evenings, though. |
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Had no idea you were going to Italy. Thought it was a joke of some kind. Dropped by today and sure enough no sign of life. Hope your luggage arrives unopened. Good luck with the natives. Eat yourself silly. Ciao, Grub. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 10, 05 at 13:29
| Trundled down to the local market this morning. The tomatoes aren't too crash hot at this time of year, probably too early. (But my first Anna Russians, Pink Gaetanos, Jaune Flammees, Kellogg's Breakfasts and Marianna's Peaces have just poked their wee heads above the mix. Heavens knows where I'm going to grow them all!) Magnificent artichokes at the market and we bought a couple. Mrs finar prepped them this arvo and we'll have them for a starter tonight. Glorious big, fat, fresh porcini mushrooms tempted us but we have limited food storage so they'll have to wait till next week. There's a fresh fish stall every week. Mrs finbar is having pan-fried sole tonight. Now I'd better get back to making my first chicken stock in this country ... |
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Can't wait to see the first pics. We had a light drizzle of rain here yesterday but today it's back to beautiful sunny weather. It might be nice to work in but now we've got more water restrictions it's going to make gardening more of a challenge than ever. Have you found any Italian varieties of tom yet (other than those you've brought with you)? It would be interesting to compare local seed of Italian varieties with those you've taken over. Have fun, say hello to Mrs F from me Sarah |
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| Ciao Finbar! The description of the neigbourly stoush gave me a good laugh, having witnessed a few in my travels! Let us know when you've had your first fully-fledged argument in Italian! Send pics of that too! See ya, mudlark PS: couple of inches of rain in Adelaide, finally! |
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| Finbar, aren't the fresh porcini mushrooms a bit early? Hope you'll get more. Yum. We used to gather heaps and then dry most of them. They were magnificent in soups in winter. Fresh ones. Cut in nice slices and crumb then. Fry in plenty of good butter. Can just picture the market and the supermarket. And the finbars at both of them. :) |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 16, 05 at 7:39
| We had another look. Not sure that they're porcini after all. But whatever they are, they're massive. The season should be starting soon-ish. We've found the nicest potatoes. No idea what variety they are - they're just called, in Italian, new potatoes - but they're amazingly buttery. They're quite large, mainly oblong. They roast beautifully, crisp on the outside and melting on the inside. Opposite the local supermarket we found a co-op run by a couple of local farming families. They sell meat and poultry that they raise organically themselves, along with local wine, cheese, honey and EVOOs. A free-range chook, maybe 1.3kg, is around OZ$8. And I saw one of the giant Chiana T-bones, the basis of the blissful Bistecca Fiorentina, on display. We'll be back! |
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| I'm having Baked Beans on toast. It's so hard to eat when you're sobbing. O, Solo Mio. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sun, Jul 3, 05 at 6:33
| Looks like my lack-of-tomato-growing-space problem has been solved! We were taken to a party last night by our guardian angel here, the woman who manages this place for its owner. She also took along another couple of clients of hers, an English couple who have bought a 5 acre olive farm about 10 kms from us. Being about the only English speakers there, we hit it off immediately. The woman has started a vegie garden on the property and I can plant as many tomatoes (and any other vegies I like) in the garden as I like! |
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| Oh oh. What will she say when the finbars roll up in front of the house with a truck full of seedlings for the vegie garden? |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 4, 05 at 3:13
| She will welcome them with open arms. Dermott and Snowy are also invited whenever we want to take them. Which is nice. The party itself the other night was a wonderful experience. Host was a builder, a friend of our guardian angel. He has built himself - without any approval at all, I think - a very nice house in the bush on the Tuscan/Umbrian border. In the paddock below the house is a swimming pool, bar area, covered eating area. And even toilets fashioned from wine vats tipped on their side. He has regular open houses. You take a bottle and end up drinking his mate's home-made red in magnum-sized bottles. Plenty of nibbles - crostini, etc - until they wheeled out a seven foot long loin of pork roasted with crackling with a fennel-based stuffing. One of his six brothers is the designated carver. Most of the guests seemed to be his clients and building team - Poles, Romanians - who speak their own language, Italian, some English, and about five other languages. Very friendly, very welcoming. Oh, and as we walked back to the car later, thousands of fireflies were dancing in the bush. Sigh ... |
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Puke... I mean, wow! (Lol) I'm just so jealous, not just the food and the wonderful countryside but also all those nationalities at once, I love hearing different languages being spoken! Glad to hear you're having so much fun! (I really mean that, I'm not being sarcastic!) |
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| finbar I am extremely jealous...How I miss multiculturism! Italian food, coffee, and the staff at Ginos and old papas in freo sigh Helen |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Tue, Jul 5, 05 at 3:36
| Helen, we have a spare bedroom! |
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| Hmm, I have never been to Tassie, and it kinda sounds less and less interesting every day - why did multiculturalism not make it to tasmania? No decent coffee, yeeks! Helen, you have my deepest sympathies, I promise never to complain about the less desirable aspects of the state of SA again, mind you Adelaide water is a pretty good way to kill a coffee, oops there I go again. Finbar, what a stroke of luck with the extra garden space, have fun! The party sounds great, more stories with food please! Italians really make great use of fennel, don't they - which btw is particularly good at my local market at the moment (grown by italians, of course!). Anyone got any good fennel recipes? I usually just eat it raw or braise it and scoff the lot, but I should probably learn to do something else with it. Cheers, mudlark PS: what grows in the Italian 'bush'. What's it like....is it rambling and dense or does it have more of a 'structured' feel to it, like more northern forests. That really intrigues me, i never got a chance to get out into the countryside in Italy. My only experiences of natural places in Europe were in Scandinavia, which were so alien, a really bizarre feeling for a nature-nerd like me, very disconcerting. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 6, 05 at 8:37
| Ciao mudlark. I either braise fennel or shave it very thinly - on a mandolin - and toss it with some leaves and pear slices in a salad. Once you get out of the cultivated areas around here - bearing in mind that we're perched overlooking the Val di Chiana, one of the country's great breadbaskets - the bush is pretty rambling and dense. Driving to the party the other night, we were climbing up into the hills on a VERY narrow road with dense bush on either side. Lots of pines and oaks. Of course, everywhere you look there are the typical/famous (for Tuscany) pencil pines as well as plenty of umbrella pines. As I say, we're in a pretty heavily cultivated part of the country. Further south in Tuscany, and in Umbria to the South East, there are some wonderful dense forests. |
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| Thanks Finbar, for your description of the landscape. Yes, the areas under cultivation were most apparent from the trains as I travelled across Italy. I might try and find some stuff to read about the natural history of Mediterranean Europe. I got some more fennel at the market today as well as one of the potato varieties that I have yet to try - can't remember what its called - I'm not sure what I'll do with them yet. cheers, mudlark |
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Ciao amici, Great to hear you've settled in. Your Italian must be developing in leaps and bounds. Robyn, are you biting the bullett and having a go at the local linguo? If it's any help, there are English words with almost exactly the vowel sounds you need: a - the u in but e - the e in bet i - the i in bit o - the or in pork cut short u - the oo in cook Good luck with it. Ray |
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| Ciao Ray! My stumbling Italian is gradually improving. The fifteen months of lessons are coming in handy. I know the rules, I just lack the vocab. It will come. Robyn is doing very well for someone with no experience of the language at all. She's now sailing into shops and coming out with what she went in for. She asked me to cut and paste your little list for her. Thanks for that, it's a good summary. I planted out three toms - Kellogg's Breakfast, Marianna's Peace and Pink Gaetano - in the tiny garden in our front courtyard. I've had to trim back some of the overhanging trees to allow enough sunlight. But, the other day, I planted out another three (of the same) in the growing space generously donated by the English friends - Jean and Aziz - we've met. Their five acre olive farm on the slopes below the ancient town of Cortona is glorious. The vegie patch is walled, and huge. I've been given as much growing space as I want to use for the next couple of years. They're only about 20 minutes drive from us. I've posted a couple of photos on the online photo album I get with my Telecom Italia free web space. I've attached the link below. Some people haven't been able to access the site, but most have. There are two albums - the tomato one, and another, bigger one, full of shots of our town, the dogs, et al. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Italy photos
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| What a great spot! You'll never want to leave. And you look healthy too. Like all that olive oil is finelly coming home to roost. Or maybe it's just the camera angle? One question: what type of tomato does the local lady grow? OP or just some bought hybrid? Ciao. |
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| Dunno what they are, Grub. She doesn't know either. The gardener supplied them. Apparently he was snitchy when he discovered mine in the patch. He'll be even more snitchy when he learns Jean has appointed me head Vegie Gardener. They're small to medium reds. I'll try to find out what they are. And, no, I don't want to leave. |
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| Finbar, thanks for your updates. You look marvellous! And very happy! I hope Mrs finbar is happy too. We were thinking of you tonight when we had our tea. Home-made pasta, meatballs with sage and masala. The pasta was dunked in the frying pan with the meatballs and masala sauce before serving. Lovely italian recipe. Can't remember its italian name now as we had to have a glass of red with it. Salute! |
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| Ciao Spatz! Yum yum to the meatballs. Mrs finbar is happy too. She's started sketching, she's swimming her 20 laps in the local pool most mornings, she's sailing into shops with her basic Italian and coming out with what she went in for. The best thing for us has been meeting the English couple with the olive farm. They're lovely, friendly people - and dog friendly! - and, even though we don't need to speak Italian - which we have to do if we're going to get better - it's also nice to have someone else with whom we can speak English. There's next to none spoken in the town. A wee tale I know you'll enjoy. On Saturday night, we were taken to an outdoor theatre performance at a local farm. The farm owners are arts nuts and host all sorts of festivals and performances in the paddocks around the house. The show was staged by a 6-person theatre company from Naples. I struggled to make sense of any of it with my limited Italian. Lo and behold, the local Italians struggled to follow it. The actors spoke in their Naples dialect. Only in Italy ... |
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| If my memory serves me correctly, the fall of the Roman Empire began with a vegie plot. I'd watch that those dogs of yours don't end up his Tuscan stew. I bet his red balls dun compare with the selection you have planted anyway. It will be great not having to battle EB. Things have degenerated tremendously since your departure, not just in the seedling department or with free feeds, but with Queensland being renamed The Smart State. Sydney is crumbling before our very eyes and the state ship is rudderless. Enjoy! |
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What a way to go Mr and Mrs F. The pictures are beautiful thanks for sharing them with us. Looking forward to more updates later. Ciao! sarah |
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| Current medication regime ends in 1 month (I cannot even express the joy) and the side effects should have all but disappeared within 6 months. Keep an eye out next May for a short balding (okay, bald) Aussie with very bad Italian but a smile from ear to ear!!! |
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| Big thumbs up and much love to ya, Ray. Can we add: and surrounded by a cornucopia of rare vegetables reaching up around his droopy ear lobes? ;)grub |
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| Look forward to seeing you, Ray. May in Italy. Ideal time of the year. Hotter in June, even hotter in July. Still, nowhere near Sydney's humidity. Oh, and I've noticed that my online photo album has disappeared from the ether. I'm just about to email Telecom Italia to find out what's going on. In Italian. Wish me luck. |
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I just looked at all the pics Finbar, and I'm SO GONNA BE THERE when my season finishes next autumn!!!! I don't know any Italian - do the Italians speak any German perchance? I'll have to rely on your translating ability, so get heaps of practice please The views are absolutely stunning! And I can't wait to check out the walled city beyond your vegie garden - all the history you are living in, your village, your house, stone walls, ruins, more stone walls.... WOW! I've been talking about travelling to Italy (and some other spots in the Mediterranean such as Dubrovnik) with some of the people I stayed with in Europe, and the reports were all great. It's all I can do to stop myself from starting the planning already, really! I figure I should probably wait at least 3 more months tho?! Have you and Mrs Finbar eaten any of your tomatoes yet? What sort of crop are you getting? Are your plants healthy in the climate there? Hope you've been using your diplomacy skills with the 'gardener' and working in sync. together etc, hehe PP, green with envy. |
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| Ciao zia P! My toms went in very late in local terms. April's the usual planting out time, and mine didn't go into the ground till the first week in August. Because we didn't get here till the end of May. Providing it stays warm enough into October, which it should, I'll have a crop. The ones in the ground out at the farm are pretty much stunted because of the amount of clay. They're flowering, but I don't know what they'll produce. Next year, after I've improved the bed, will be a different story. I planted three of the same toms in the tiny garden in our front courtyard and they're doing very well. The first fruit is just starting to set. I must remember to add a pic of them to the album. I haven't seen much evidence of fungal problems on the existing toms in the vegie patch - they're mainly what the locals call "Salad Tomatoes" - or on my three in my front courtyard. Carlo, the Italian gardener, has been spraying the ones in the vegie patch with that horrible blue-coloured mix of copper and sulphur. I've told Jean and Aziz - the owners - about Daconil, and I've been trying to track some down online via a UK supplier. The beds at the farm - pure 100% clay - need an awful amount of work. It's been frustrating trying to find things like blood and bone and potash here. The local garden centres are nothing like what I'm used to. Most of them specialise in trees, with very little focus on the "home gardener". The walled town on the hill in the distance behind the vegie patch is Cortona, setting for that mawkish book (and appalling film adapted from same), Under The Tuscan Sun. At this time of year, it's full of American tourists, but as the weather cools down it reverts to its extraordinary charm and beauty. Well, back to it! |
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Might have to make your own blood'n'bone. Can anyone say Sweeney Todd? And potash? Doesn't Berlusconi own a few newspapers? You could just burn those. Just a few suggestions, mio amico (or is that amico mio?). |
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| Il mio amico, Ray. You use the article with possessive pronouns. Except if you're referring to a family member - mio padre, etc. Berlusconi owns most of Italy, so I could probably burn anything that comes to hand and burn something of his. But I take your point. With autumn on its way, the open fire will be getting a work out, thus plenty of wood ash. Not sure how to measure it, that's all. I know it's pretty potent in terms of adjusting the pH. |
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| Eat him with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 24, 05 at 6:39
| I built a tripod and planted le fave a couple of weeks ago against the advice of Carlo the Italian gardener. Still too hot, he said. In Italian. They've germinated and are looking good. Cop that, Carlo. |
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| Don't let on that he's the accompianment, I hope I don't get banned for encouraging cannibalism. But some people.....reallly |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 25, 05 at 4:07
| He's 5'7", about 13 stone. I fear you could braise him for eternity and still need a chainsaw to slice him. |
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| I have some new zealand friends, who's rellies at one time, used to eat quarrelsome nighbours in a ground pit. They have a recipe which involves clams and fennel and things. Long slow braise over a couple of days usually does it. I think people might get suspicious. |
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Just checked out the photos finbar, you must be in heaven with all that space after your tiny plot in Cammeray. How's Snowy going? No more health problems? I guess the dogs didn't need Italian lessons! I wish I could come & visit too! Sarah |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 27, 05 at 8:54
| Ciao Sarah. Yes, it's pretty blissful. Had another ton (literally) of composted horse manure delivered yesterday. I'll spend tomorrow using it to renovate a couple more of the beds. I've never seen so much clay in one spot in my life. Built another tripod and started a crop of peas yesterday. Against the advice of Carlo the gardener. He said wait for spring. But the first frost doesn't arrive till December, so I reckon I'll get a crop. Oddly enough, for better or worse, Italy has rejuvenated the little white rat. Bounding around like a two year old! Grrrrrrrrrrr. |
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Looks like you are settling in very well Finbar. I haven't had a chance to chime in here as I was expelled for bickering with our feathered friend on the other side. A habit I am going to get out of. Hope Carlo isn't giving you too much grief. An out of control Honda powered wheelbarrow could incapacitate him for a while LOL. The mutts are looking particularly happy about the whole show. Cheers Mantis |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sat, Sep 24, 05 at 15:25
| Carlo is giving me much grief. I'd ordered another ton of horse poo. It hadn't arrived. Turned out Carlo had slagged off the horse poo to the local farmer who supplies it. Told him it had too much straw in it. Yes, the last lot had a lot of bedding straw, but I was glad of it. It will break down beautifully and help turn the beds from pure clay into something friable. So another order has been placed and the farmer has been told to treat Carlo with the same contempt we do. I yanked all the tomatoes out at the farm the other day. Including, tragically, my Pink Gaetano, Marianna's Peace and Kellogg's Breakfast. Late blight. We'd had a visitor, I hadn't been out to check for about ten days, and when I finally got out there my heart sank. I started yanking. Carlo appeared. Protesting. Why was I pulling out the tomatoes? I told him, only I didn't know the Italian for blight let alone late blight. I've since discovered that blight, in Italian, is paliga. I could only tell him, in Italian, that the plants were diseased. He denied it. Troppo acqua, he said. Too much water. We'd had a lot of rain. Bullsh*t, I told him, in Italian. I showed him the blackened, festering fruit. Troppo acqua, he maintained. Fool. He stomped off, I kept yanking. The three plants in my wee front courtyard at home were also showing nasty signs. I yanked one to save the other two. I have plenty of fruit on the Pink Gaetano and I'm trimming more and more ugly foliage every day. So it's a race between the disease and the cooling autumn days. |
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| Bummer... Sorry to hear Finbar! Good luck with the Pink Gaetano at home. Diseases of unknown type, possibly fusarium wilt, attacked my plants in Autumn the past couple seasons. Theoretically I should be able to grow an autumn crop, but it seems too much of an uphill battle here in my neck of the woods. PP, sipping an organic cab sav purchased at the Organic Fair this afternoon. Almost "creamy" it's so smooth! |
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| Bummer about i pomodori. Next year's crop should be grand after the manure and straw amendment. Carlo doesn't sound like much of a gardener! |
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Carlo...Stronza!!!!. Stupido Cretino. We have as much clay as you it seems. The straw isn't good for much else, but it does a bloody good job friablising the soil. OOOh look, I just invented a new word. My Pineapple Fog and Katinka came up today. Ciao, Mi Amici. And the dogs. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sun, Sep 25, 05 at 6:30
| He's not. In any technical sense. His rule of thumb seems to be to sew seeds or plant seedlings regardless of soil or position, water, and harvest what eventually appears. Very oddly, when he planted the sweet corn earlier in the year, he planted three and four seeds together in rows. And I mean together. Apparently his argument was that the strongest would survive. End result - sweet corn jammed together, fighting for space and nourishment (from pretty much pure clay), and a mass of scrawny plants that produced about half a dozen decent cobs. |
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| Carlo smarlo, I'm with Adam, slap the silly bugger !! |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Sep 26, 05 at 12:53
| Mrs finbar took a pic of Carlo and me with his arm around me today. If it doesn't bring the site crashing down, I might post it. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 27, 05 at 15:53
Hey Ray. Here's some Cavolo Nero in situ! (That's plain old cabbage to its right) And here's the gardener with Carlo The Imposter who was on his way to do some Whipper Snippering (with Snowy for company):  |
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| Ha ha. They look really great. The cabbages, I mean. Snowy looks like she's gained the weight you've lost. But you all look well. Now turn around so we can see the knife in your back. |
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| Garden looking great. Carlo's a typical Italian, I'd say! |
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| I suppose you need to be friendly while he has the whipper snipper in his hand LOL |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 28, 05 at 3:59
| Just after the pic was taken, Carlo toddled off to cut lots of grass around the place. That was on Monday. Yesterday, Tuesday, I heard that he was in deep horse poo with Jean the property owner. Apparently he'd whipper-snippered a whole lot of her best plants into oblivion. Snowy has put on weight. In fact, for some strange reason, she's born again. She's belting around like a five year old, with few of her old neuroses. If only I could make such claims. We're planning another, adjacent vegie plot for things like pumpkins, zucchini, et al, things that take up far more space than their return warrants. The main patch, while spacious, soon fills up with vining things. Aziz, Jean's hubby, not a gardener, claims we already have more than enough vegie-growing space. So the plotting and planning and designing goes on in secret. |
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| I feel we all need a Secret Garden. How deep am I?. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Sep 28, 05 at 11:20
| Do you hear Enid Blyton calling? |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Fri, Oct 28, 05 at 7:55
| Just popped in to post a pic of the new vegie patch as a work-in-progress. The first one, with the stone wall and the cinghiale scarecrow, is about 25m directly behind where Mrs finbar was standing when she took the pic. The stones? The digger we used to take the top off the ground removed a lot of them from the ground. I removed the rest! Those boxes are at the far end are bee hives. Empty! They're going to be moved. Hopefully. Now, it just needs levelling, the smaller stones removed, and tons of cow and horse poo dug into the clay. Next year, the bed will host mainly pumpkin, zucchini, cukes, some tomatoes, and probably some spuds. In the distant background is the amazing mist. Autumn has hit. We wake up to pea-soupers that gradually clear into drifting mist. Usually, at around 3pm, the sun burns away the mist and we end up with stunning blue skies and glorious sunsets.  |
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Well arn't you just the toffy bugger :-) I had a mist come down around me this morning on the loo. As this is a civilised thread, I will not tell you my household folks response. I am jealous as hell you know!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mantis |
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| Hard to tell but it looks big. Seems like you've already done a hell of a lot of work on it. Looking forward to seeing it planted out when I get there in May! |
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| OMG Finbar, can you ever get sick of the scenery in a place like that?! Noice! Secondly, how do you keep the bugs away from your kale and cabbages - they look fantastic! Do you grow organic? You must be fit with all that outdoor work. BTW, who built the fences around the new plot? PP |
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| Great job, Finbar! It must be very rewarding and satisfying to see this patch now. Good luck with the planting! And don't let Carlo get his hands on it. We are having a fantastic spring here and it's a jungle out there. Grass, weeds, seedlings. The slugs and snails are taking over. Hope you get interesting seeds for your vegie patch! :) |
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- Posted by pepino Werribee Vic (My Page) on
Sun, Oct 30, 05 at 18:55
| Nice sheltered spot you've got there. Looks like it could be in the Dandenongs. The soil looks good too. I like the corrale style fencing. I'm sure you'll spend many long days potting around the new garden. Well done. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 31, 05 at 5:16
| pep - at this time of year, it could be the Dandenongs with the mist hanging around. In summer, though, it's baking hot, and the patch will get full sun most of the day. Having cut into some of the bank on the RHS of the pic, we revealed the lie of the land - about a foot of top soil on top of clay. The digger that took the top off the ground - the grass and weeds - also took some top soil, but there's some left to work with. I carted half a dozen loads of fresh cow manure yesterday with about thirty more to come. The beds won't come into play till next March, so I should have a nicely fecund patch. This garden is basically an overflow from the other, bigger one. Ray - I did some measuring yesterday to mark out the beds. I'm not using the far end. It will either be kept for chooks or maybe even a glasshouse. So, leaving the far end out of the equation, and allowing for access paths around the perimeter, it's about 16m long by 6.5m (at this end) and 5m (at the other end). Big enough to keep me amused. I'll save a bed for you to potter in next May! Zia P - we haven't used anything on the cabbage and cavolo nero. If we see bugs, we pick them off, and we haven't seen any for the last month or so. It must be getting too cold for them. I suppose it's an organic garden. Carlo sprayed the toms this year with that horrible blue copper/sulphur stuff which is, technically, organic. I'll be using the Italian version of Daconil next year. Not strictly organic, but preferable to that horrible blue stuff. He also sprinkles granular, water-soluble fertiliser around without understanding that it does nothing for the soil and disappears after a couple of heavy showers. I'm going insane trying to find blood and bone - farina d'ossa - here. The nurseries have heard of it but never seen it in retail packs. The fencing around the plot? Carlo and a local chap called Augusto did it. Augusto owns some land - chockers with olive trees - surrounding the farm. His family and another local family harvest Jean and Aziz's 950 olive trees for them. In fact, they're starting later this week. Mrs finbar has had her designated olive tree earmarked. I'll have the camera ready when she harvests it. Jean and Aziz aim for premium quality oil so there's no erecting nets and shaking the branches to drop the olives into the nets. Every single olive is taken by hand. Good luck Mrs finbar! Spatz - the odd thing is, I've hardly seen a snail here. We've had tons of lettuce and radicchio and other snail-attracting things in the garden, but barely a snail. I have no idea why. Lots of other mysterious looking insects, though. I'm yet to discover whether they're friend or foe. Although I did recognise the aphids on my broad beans. |
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Good to hear you're not busy then , and taking it easy. Sheesh, I want that pickie of Mrs F doing the Italian Peasant thingo. I want peasant frock and mean look. Okay?. You should be proud to hear that I put in an Anna Russian yesterday, so am keeping the Finbar Flag flying. We're having incredible thunderstorme here at the moment. Hot sultry days and cool nights....Wait , that's just me!!!. And the weather. Ciao kids, and keep up the good work. |
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| Oh to be in a place where you can grow brassicas without pests *sigh* There are many things that we take for granted I'm sure, but I never thought Blood and Bone would be one of them. I'd have thought it would be available anywhere. Good luck! PP |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 13, 05 at 16:32
While Mrs finbar was picking olives, I was busy elsewhere. On my way through the original vegie patch, I contemplated the remains of my beetroot crop: I'll be lifting the lot of them this week and storing them for winter. Next came two generations of carrots adjacent to each other (with Cavolo Nero keeping them company: And then onto the new patch. Which is ever-so-gradually starting to take shape. This is the low side of a fairly sloping patch and I'm using rocks reclaimed from the site to edge the beds to stop the beds disappearing over the edge. And that's three tractor loads of sand ready to be amalgamated with about twenty tractor loads of cow manure to combat the clay: And there's the original patch, in the distance, through the fog, from the entrance to the new patch:  |
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| Great pics through the mist. Doesn't look like they have water restrictions gived the fairly heavily wooded surroundings. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 14, 05 at 4:37
| Been very very wet since August. Our little town had over an inch in a quarter of an hour last week. The broad beans and peas have suffered, and it has made working the clay in the new garden a real trial. It's been a strange year - very mild summer, very wet autumn. |
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| Looking good. I guess the purpose of the fence is to, barring yourself, keep large beasts outta the patch? Beet leaves seem ripe for wilting. Any alliums? I thought I spotted a few. EVOO looks scoffable. You must be in heaven. Sydney is pretty crappy as usual. Best wishes from the Grubs. Will take any spare olives. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 14, 05 at 8:47
| The only large beasts in the area are cinghiale but they tend to keep their distance. Especially now, with hunting season in full swing. The hills are currently alive with the sound of shotties. The important part of the fence, which you mightn't be able to see in the pics, is the green wire mesh between the bottom rail and the ground. That's there to keep out the real garden pests - istrice, or porcupines. If they find their way into your vegie patch, you're stuffed. I watered the beetroot today. They'll come out later in the week. A few alliums dotted around the place but the beds are mainly winding down for winter. I'm off to the nursery for planting garlic which will go in around December 21st. Yes, the oil is scoffable. If I can work out how, I'll try to send you a bottle. Yes, we are in heaven. Yes, we know the state of Sydney. Currently, wild horses wouldn't drag us back. |
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| Googled cinghiale. Got: Tuscan pig on steroids. Yum. Amazing that they have survived for so long. Nothing nice about a porcupine, I suppose. I couldn't see the green mesh and was wondering what you were trying to keep out. I figured a horse could just lean over and eat your veggies. The oil looks great. Got the basil growing and the buffalo-milk mozzarella is available over the road. Just need the tommys. 52 growing. Will be months before I see a fruit other than some cheater Sweet 100s already ripe for the plucking. :( How did your tommys work out in the end? No EB I suppose. What will you do to occupy your time in winter? Excavate a cellar and make a lot of wine? That might get me over. Ciao for now :) |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 14, 05 at 17:33
| Cinghiale are all over the Tuscan hills. And they feature somewhere on just about every Tuscan restaurant menu. There's a little place in the hills above our little town. They do a wonderful pasta with cinghiale ragu. I have it every time. The tommys didn't make it. Late Blight wiped everything out. I've never seen it before. I have now. It's unpleasant. Next year I'll be spraying. Make wine? Why? We're in the middle of one of the world's great winemaking areas. We've taken to scoffing the odd Brunello, one of the great reds. The little trattoria in the hills above our town has a stunning wine list. All the great local wines and at - relative to what you'd pay for the same wine in Oz - nifty prices. I usually go for a 1997 Brunello at about $60 a pop. The same wine would be $300 at Buon Ricordo or similar. It's made just down the road in Montalcino. Must pop over and get some at the cellar door. We'll take you there when you visit. And to Pienza, home of some of the great pecorinos. Just down the road. |
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| Great food and wine and company. And a couple of big patches to burn it all off. Wow! The world would suddenly become a very small place, I think. At least until the money ran out. Or, perish the thought, one had a wild affair with a dusky maiden. Little wonder so many feel compelled to put pen to paper and share their love affair with Tuscany. You will be pleased to hear my Lleytons Greens have doubled in height and the view of the two-storey units is fading, that the Indian Mynas are chirping, and the only pig in site is the beer-swilling swine on Friday nights. And, worse, I'm fast running out of grow space. Late Blight sounds nasty. I've only read about it. Thought about pinching your old green plastic or metal 8ft tomato stakes the other day. Boy, are they hard to find. Anyway, keep us posted. Fun - no headonism - under the Tuscan sun. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 15, 05 at 5:05
| You'll find those big, green, metal tomato stakes in the garden section of the hardware place on the corner at the top of the Cammeray shops. Miller Street and, from memory, Amherst Street. Oh, and did I tell you fresh porcini are available all over the place? I've made two or three fresh porcini risottos (or risotti) to work out the best method. The flavours are glorious, much more subtle than anything offered by the dried porcini. Our Guardian Angel here extracted a porcini risotto recipe from one of her local restaurateur mates. I haven't yet tried it. But the esential herb, apparently, is a local wild mint. There's tons of it out around the olive farm. I'm going to grab some and pot it up. Mrs finbar scoffs the fresh porcini at the trattoria in the hills. She's had them simply chargrilled with the wild mint, and also deep fried, would you believe. They slice 'em into thick matchsticks, dust 'em, then deep fry. Crunchy on the outside, melting on the inside. Delish. |
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| Yum. Everything seems distilled. Raw produce and wild herbs. Let me at it. I knew about your corner hardware but figured the green stakes must be everywhere if there. Wrong. There are mushies and there are mushies. I do hope you share some of the recipes at some point in time, even if we have to subs. the ingredients. Worse luck for me, you're not a fish eater. Scored a bounty of yellowfin tuna last weekend. Kept them on an ice slurry, filleted, skinned and removed the bloodline, a bucket of firm pink flesh. Fresh tuna is heaven. That's my brag. And n/a in Tuscany I think :) |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 15, 05 at 7:44
| Mrs finbar would drool over the fish if I let her read the above. Yes, you can get fresh tuna here. Remember we're two hours from the Med and an hour from the Adriatic. And we can get things that you can't get there - like fresh sea bass! I had so many Italian recipes that called for sea bass. Now I have access to the buggers. |
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| Damn! I'll have to think of something to make you homesick. Bet the Italian cigarettes are pretty awful? But how they love to smoke. Currently, lots of brown girls in bikinis outside my office and the air is redolent of coconut oil and salt spray. On a different score, I'll have you know I've developed a taste for Pinot Gris, tarter and more summery than Grigio, but local renditions are a bit like your green stakes. None too easy to find. Bought some anchovies in a little tin that came from the Bay of Biscay for $14.95 the other day. I could spend a motza on cheeses in the fromagerie across the road. But really I think I'll just have to eat and breath Europe vicariously. |
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| You two are killing me with the wine and dine talk! Even harder for me to bear since my trip overseas to visit Tuscany and beyond has been postponed for 12 months. Did you get my email Mr Finbar? What I want to know is whether your music tastes have changed yet? Pouting Pepperina |
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| Oh, does he have poor taste in music? Well then. That explains it. He's got two left feet. I knew there was something suss about that aged-hippie look. Quick-and-easy green fish curry for me tonight. Loads of homegrown basil and my own line-caught fish is the most I can contribute. Lemon grass is still to young and I haven't a kaffir lime tree. Yet. Oh, and btw, nice new beds PP. But flowers! Lol. I'm not yet game to grow my produce in full view yet, either :) |
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| I think it would be better for me if you refrained from posting here. I keep getting these urges to move back to France, especially now. Autumn and mushroom-festooned market stalls. *long, long sigh* |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 16, 05 at 8:20
| Fret not, Ray, if you're here in May, you will have the best of the weather. Before summer hits. Grub. Cigarettes are half the price here. Bona fide parmesan is less than half the price, buffalo mozzarella is about a quarter of the price, EVOO the same, excellent Pino Grigios are about $8 in the supermarket, same with excellent Chiantis. Zia P. Got your email, been slack replying to a lot of emails. Sorry. We'll be here in 2007, definitely, and probably for quite a bit longer. No, my music tastes haven't changed. Bolstered by the fact that Jean and Aziz, who own the olive farm, are well connected. Pete Townsend is a friend, and Aziz was a year behind David Bowie (before he called himself David Bowie) at school. He was in the same year as Peter Frampton, but none of us acknowledge that. |
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| Ta Grub, front yard produce is an experiment and hopefully living in a cul-de-sac will reduce the people traffic passing by. Finbar, I didn't really know what your tastes in music were, but somehow just imagined you dancing in the village square perhaps, clapping hands etc while the local musicians played and sang with great gusto? Haha! PP |
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| ... while wearing a peasant jacket and a cap, a ciggy in the corner of his mouth with a long ash, a coffee in one hand. I can see it. Finbar, Well if price is any indication of quality our produce is better. Sadly, of course, it is not. Sounds like Tuscany in incomparable. Australia is getting smaller by the minute. Little Johnny will send us all packing soon. I have some great tommys growing, though. Some of the best in the world. Rare and delicious. So do drop by often in a month for the impending tomato porn :) |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 17, 05 at 4:53
| Dunno about dancing in the piazza, but I get off on the drums and weird-looking medieval trumpets that accompany the flag-throwing ceremonies. |
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| Hi Finbar...your 'posts' look like costing my heaps of money. I was reading to my wife through this group of postings and then showed her the photos. She reckons now it is off back to Italy for us for another "fix". We visited there in August last year for the second time and she just loves it. Keep enjoying! Daniel |
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You mean Tuscany is nicer than Armidale.??????? I bet we have more flies than you.....SO THERE. And I wouldn't mind an autograph from THE DAVID. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 18, 05 at 5:44
| Hi Daniel. We're certainly in a glorious part of the world, and, I think, the nicest part of Italy. Tuscany's a fascinating mix of the beautiful and the austere. And the local have been very welcoming. After six months here, we're part of the town. Our residency papers and ID cards have just come through, so now we belong officially. We're contemplating buying here next year. If you head this way again, give us a hoi. Adam. There are flies in Italy. Tons of them. And, strangely, they hang around long after summer. I'll have a word to David. It could take a while. There's usually a queue. |
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He'll know me from the photos I sent. I think it's still three years before I'm allowed to be in the same country as him. Some people are so Sensitive. CIAO |
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| Residency papers? ID? Wow, this sounds permanent already! But will you ever be able to enjoy Tomato Taste Fests like we had at Rutherglen last year over there... huh? ..huh? Huh??? *mentally intoned with a rising-bragging voice, but knowing that we're gonna miss the Finbars in March* PP |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 21, 05 at 4:59
| Residency is part of the process, Zia P. We're stranieri - foreigners - and residency is one of the numerous things we need in order to live and function here. Tourists don't need a visa and can stay for up to three months. To stay longer than three months, you need (a) one of several special visas, all of which are hard to get; (b) a document called a permesso di soggiorno, which is the piece of paper that actually entitles you to stay longer than three months; and (c) residency, which allows you to do things like join the Italian version of Medicare, buy a car, and so on. Bureaucracy moves slowly here. It took five months for our Permessi to be processed. The ID cards are optional. We need to carry identification with us that confirms we're legally entitled to live here (because we've been here way beyond the tourist's three months). We could carry our Permessi, but they're A4 sheets of paper. The ID cards, which carry the same basic info, fit into our wallets. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 23, 05 at 10:20
| Brrrrrr! Winter arrived early. Like overnight. The first snow of the season, six weeks early. The view out the bedroom window this morning: Dermott, at the front gate, wondering what the white stuff is: Mrs finbar and Snowy proving the maxim that Italy sees the best and worst of fashion: And, out at the olive farm, work on the new vegie patch is suspended:  |
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| Beautiful! All the more so because I don't have to live through it. |
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| Yeh, I'll pass on that, too. Much prefer the bikini season. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 24, 05 at 16:07
| Wimps. My favourite time of year. Better than Sydney's twelve months humidity soup. If only I could grow vegies in it. |
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| You're from Melbourne, right? I can feel a hot house coming on. More escavation, a large timber frame and plastic wrap. I'm sure you'll get plenty of moral support here as well. Plenty of humidity, that's for sure. A touch of EB, some bacterial speck, thrush and tinea. Are you thinking of getting into bottling? I'm sure you could organise to have a Vacola delivered. Without the patch what are you going to do? |
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| Cold frames would allow you to grow lots of things right through winter - certainly carrots, lettuce, mache, erba stella and spinach. Unfortunately, I think they need to have been started in late summer/autumn because they stop growing pretty much during the colder months, although spinach will happily germinate and grow at temps around zero. Where are your late summer planted peas, leeks and kale, I'd like to know? (Says he with years of experience growing in true four season climates!!!) |
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Finbar, your thread has been hugely successful, so you'll surely want to start another  |
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PP, There appears to be no limit to the number of posts per thread these days :) |
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| I love winter. Bring on the piccies, finbar. Great food too, for winter. :) |
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| Wow , looks like they're allowing more than 100, as Grublet says. |
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It looks lovely. God I love the cold. Wait 'til Spring. You get this rush of energy. It's amazing. Lucky Dawgs you. Mrs Fin is Chic , as always. GRRRRR. |
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- Posted by finbar Central Italy (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 25, 05 at 9:03
| Ray, the late summer/autumn pea crop has suffered from a massively wet autumn. The broad beans have suffered too. They hate wet feet. It was so wet that even the flavour of this season's oil was affected. Less peppery than usual. We were meant to have a bona fide glass glasshouse well before now. Hold ups with the work on the house delayed it. The house took priority. For some reason. It will be in place next year. In the meantime, before spring, I'll create a temporary structure at the top of the new garden to give the spring plantings a flying start. Last night we took some visitors up to our local trattoria in the hills above the town. Great food, as always, including my usual pici with cinghiale ragu and a glorious marscapone dessert that I've had before. It verges on tiramisu but stops short. All in front of a roaring log fire. Had to scrape the ice off the windscreen before we could drive home. |
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